U20 Class Member's Forum
General Category => U20 Regattas - Where, When & Who's Going! => Topic started by: Jay Harland on January 01, 2011, 03:10:44 PM
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Happy New Year to the U20 junkies!
I was wanting to get a conversation started about a west coast championships in 2011. It would be nice to have one major regatta in the second half of the season that everyone has circled on their calendars.
We could talk to the Fresno Yacht Club about adding a U20 race day on Friday and folding us in with the rest of the High Sierra on Sat and Sun. I have even thought about hosting it here under a similar arrangement at our club's regatta (at Howard Prairie Lake) as we are the only venue that is a single day's drive from any location on I-5 (a long day from San Diego, but doable).
What other thoughts do the west coasters have?
Jay
Madison 73
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Thanks Mark.
We have been in the class for three years now and this is actually the first I have heard this regatta referred to as the Pacific Coast Championship. I think the class would benefit from communicating this on an annual basis.
However, I guess I would also like to revisit the issue of one regatta at the same time of year, at the start of the season, and in the corner of the country being the perpetual pacific coast championship.
Denver is actually four hours closer to San Diego than Seattle is (Denver is a 1.5 day drive versus a full two days from Seattle). Lake Dillon is actually closer to Seattle than San Diego is.
Maybe the SD NOOD should be the designated PCC in even years and the default venue on odd years if no other time and location is promoted and selected by the class in the even years???
Jay
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Can't do the SD NOOD this year due to a personal conflict, but we definately want to get down there with Madison in the next year or two.
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Jay,
I like the idea of the PCC moving around on the west coast. We have a traveling tour set up for Colorado I would like to see a set of regattas that make up a west coast circut. Do you have any ideas? I would think of the following;
San Diego NOOD
Konocti
Seattle NOOD
Delta Ditch/go for the gold
High sierra
Long beach race week
Richmond riviera
Jazz cup
Great Pumkin
The idea would be to pull attendence to these regattas and make larger fleets to market the boat.
Mark
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Would there be an adequate number of boats attending the 2011 S.D. Nood to qualify it as the "West Coast Championships"? I have heard that the list of boats that were mentioned previously has dwindled to one and currently that one boat is the only one entered. There were only eight boats participating in 2010 (nine entered) and many of those are rumored to not be returning for 2011. Will there be any others attending the 2011 S.D. Noods? Time is growning short and it is time to make arrangements, should I bother?
Alan
DogOnIt #138
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2007 was the first year for the trophy and it consited of 6 boats signed up and 5 boats sailing. If they reach those numbers I can't see why it doesn't count. As it has been discussed we could move it around the west coast for greater participation in upcoming years. I deleted my previous post about commited Colorado boats. 3 of the boats will not be making the trip because of timing, economic and logistical reasons. I am very disapointed I cannot make it to San Diego this year as it is my favorite place to sail the U20. I cannot swing 2 major trips and would like to make the NA's.
Mark Allen
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Any thoughts of a series scoring system for a select list of regattas. the boat scoring the most points at the whole list getting the PCC trophy? This would not only include all major regions that have decent fleets (So Cal, SF Bay, Pac Northwest, Denver), but also reward the boats that travel to other regional races. The difficulty here would be comparing the NOODs with a Great Pumpkin type racing format. One being hard core one design with races in the double digits, the other more of a mix of One design and fun reverse handicap racing.
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Here in Colorado we do a high point scoring system for the series with 3 throwouts for a 10 race series. You get more points with a higher number of entries so it rewards you for participation. With races like the great pumkin you would score it on u20 entires alone. The dificulty of running a series like this is what races do you include? I think the region is too large to do a traveling race series for the PCC. I like the idea of the PCC moving around to different events each year to help drive participation and promote the boat. I could see it rotate through the SD NOOD, high sierra, Seattle NOOD, and Dillon Open, for starters.
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Mark,
Your last post is a little closer to my earlier one and I like where that is going. Maybe we could rotate it around in three different general geographies Intermountain (ie Colorado/Utah), Pacific Northwest (Washington/Oregon), and Northern California. I like the idea of keeping the SD NOOD as the PCC in years when NAs are in the west because no one else in the west is going to schedule a North American Championship Regatta anywhere near March in the west, so the SD NOOD still seems to be a logical choice in those years. The Southern Cal boats would then still get the SD NOOD as the PCC championship every three or four years.
I kind of like the idea of polling. When the general geography is up for its respective turn, then members can propose the date and venue for that season by say February 15th and then we have until March 15 to vote on the preferred venue. The venue that garners the most votes wins.
What does everybody think about that?
Jay
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I like the idea of having it where we get the best attendance. If you want NW boats to come south in the spring, we need to know well in advance - it takes time to get a boat moved from (almost) border to border, working around the winter storms and not trashing your boat in the process with all the gravel we use for de-icing/traction up here. We made it to SD one year and had a blast - I would do that again - or SF in the fall. Maybe we could do like they do on the east coast and move the boats south for the winter and fly in.
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I like the rotation idea; CO, CA, PNW. One location each year for the West Coast Championships.
We should also work within the North American's schedule so that we do not conflict.
Zipper's schedule this summer:
Seattle NOOD's
Eugene, OR - either Memorial Day or Emerald Cup Regatta (whichever gets the most interest)
Something in Northern CA late summer
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This is a good news bad news post. The bad news is the Ultimate 20 was not able to fleet this year at the San Diego NOOD. The good news would be the Pacific Coast Championship trophy is looking for a regatta. What say you West coasters. What will be the best attended regatta this year?
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Huntington? Post the votes on the West Coast Circuit topic
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I vote for RYC October 8-9
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I have sailed at Huntington and it is a great venue. It does look like the RYC regatta might be the best attended but I know nothing of the event. I feel the PCC's should have 10+ boats. If we can decide on a venue I hope more boats will commit. If I do not have a conflict I would consider goin to the Richmond Regatta in October.
Mark
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I like the idea of early October on SF Bay at the RYC. Lots of boats there already, central location, and good venue.
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RYC sounds great. The regatta is also going to be the Wyliecat 30 class championships, so the club will do a good job (meaning they’ll have good race management and a Saturday night dinner). Fall is the most consistent conditions for U20 sailing on the bay too.
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I vote for Huntington and like the idea of running races on Friday to make it a three day series.
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Put your votes where they count- on the west coast summer circuit poll!
Jay
Madison #73
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So far I have seen these boats commit to the RYC regatta; Breakaway, Viola, Toon Town, Uhoo!, Too Tuff and Layla. Are there any more? I would hope we can field double digits for this or Huntington which looks like the other leader.
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I like the idea of a 3 day series at Huntington. I would propose two late start races on Friday (like skippers meeting at 1:45PM and 1st shape at 2:45PM). Then we would get 5 races in total and no throwouts. This would avoid people having to add an extra day to their trip...
Jay
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We will try to make it over to the RYC for October 8 & 9.
I can't promise just yet...
Phil
#155, U Decide
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Jay Harland’s poll shows five votes each for both Huntington and RYC. Perhaps other folks need to vote and settle the debate. Which option would the Colorado and Utah folks want?
On the topic of three-day regattas, I just got an email from RYC, and they are planning Friday racing for the Antrim 27 class at the October race. It looks like we have two excellent options for our PCCs at either Huntington Lake or Richmond. From John Dukat:
“The Antrims asking about Friday racing (i.e. make it a three day nationals)
If Friday is an option you could get in 7 races over three days.
If your fleet is interested…
For Friday races I see the start in the SLOT noon start 1.5 to 2 mile weather leg wind depending.”
Tom Burden
Layla #92
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Look at my earlier post. I took that from one of your posts Tom, if all showed that would be 6. I am planning on going to the RYC (I have never sailed in the bay) so that would be 7.
Mark
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High Sierra is in the bag. Congratulations to Bob Comstock with dominating upwind sailing that no other boats could quite match! Nevertheless, the conditions were fantastic and all the boats were in a pretty tight pack both days.
We wanted to get beyond High Sierra before thinking about any other racing. We have some interest in this championship proposal for RYC, but I am still a little fuzzy on the racing details. Can someone who is in the know flesh out the details a little bit and what the current plan is for this regatta?
Jay
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I qualified for the Mallory cup so I will be going to Lake Norman. The Bay will have to wait another year.
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Congrats Mark, this will be very interesting to see a U20 sailor competing in this in his own boat.
Looking forward to seeing you here.
Don
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I am reposting this because I never got a response.
We may have some interest in this championship proposal for RYC, but I am still a little fuzzy on the racing details. Can someone who is in the know flesh out the details a little bit and what the current plan is for this regatta?
It sounded like we might have between 8-10 boats is that correct?
Jay
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The Richmond Yacht Club has posted the U20 Regatta for October 7,8, and 9. I have been in touch with John Dukat who is the club contact and he wants indicated that Antrim 27s will be racing for 3 days and he wanted to know if the U20s would like to do the same or just Saturday and Sunday. Looks like a great venue and number of races for a Pacific Coast Championship. Who all is in?
Mike Josselyn
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I'm still in. I'd like a 3 day event if we can get 10 boats. Are the San Diego U20 owners on this owner's site yet? I know they were on the old Yahoo forum, but I have not seen any postings here yet.
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So how do we get to consider this as the PAC CUP championship? Do we need authorization from the Association?
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since the San diego Nood never happened this is going to be the best attendend event and will be considered as the Pacific Coast Championship. My next question is what will be the premier event for next year?
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Notice of Race will be published shortly. Regatta chair wants to know if we want to schedule some races for Friday. He is setting up races for the Antrim 27s on that day as well as the rest of the weekend.
Mike
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Because there is about 5 weeks to 8 Oct you may not get as many boats as the Pumpkin. Folks have planned for the Pumpkin for months. Sounds like the Antrim guys have known about the 8 Oct race for awhile If you add a Fri race to the 8 Oct gig, you may loose more boats. I know one of my crew has to give a bit more notice to get Fri off (engineer at a hydraulic power generator). I am retired but the crew is not. Do I spend a weekend in Richmond on 8Oct or 29Oct? If I had to choose between the two 3 months ago, I would rather two days of buoy racing.
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What I didn't say in the above is that your plan for a Pacific Coast Championship is a great idea. I will make a strong effort to go. Even if you get 5 or 6 boats, it would be a start. For future Championships, if we cannot set up something with Richmond, I bet Fresno would do it at Huntington. Huntington trumps other lakes with its predictable wind.
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We need to decide on what the venue will be for next year. What will be the best attended event. Some ideas;
San Diego
Huntington
Dillon
Which one would you commit to if you knew there would be 10+ boats?
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What about time of year? Huntington has good wind, whitecaps, almost every day all summer. For a three day event, it would be unusual to have light air on one of the days. Wasn't Dillon fluky for the nationals. When is the wind predictably good in San Diego? By the way, I got crew commitments for 7-9 Oct if we do it. Having a great boat makes getting crew easier.
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Spoke with John Dukat who is the Club lead. Planning on three races for both Saturday and Sunday. Working on the NORs today so will post when he's done with them or check out the RYC site.
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Thank you for your work on this Mike. I will go if we get at least 4 or 5 boats. I don't care if there is a trophy, I just want to race on San Francisco Bay.
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Layla will be at both the PCCs and the Great Pumpkin.
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Huntington's season is from last week in June to the end of September. Oct they lower the lake for flood control. The wind is still there though. The Fresno Club said we could piggy back on the High Sierra and they would add extra days for us, if we wanted. If we got enough commitments to justify it, they would put on an event for their cost.
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John Dukat has forwarded me the NOR and SI for the U20 Regatta on October 7-8 at the Richmond Yacht Club. Please find them attached to this email. So far, the boats indicating that they will be there are: Layla, Viola, Uagain, Uhoo!, Salsa, Breakaway, and Too Tuff. Anyone else planning on coming?
John will be putting up the registration soon on the Richmond Yacht Club site.
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Toon Town will be there
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Here is the event page for online registration:
http://www.richmondyc.org/Cal2/EventShow.asp?event_id=345262&event_batch=1
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if any out of towners are looking for a place to crash, let me know--bring your sleeping bag!
Mike
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I may well be interested. One slot for Friday & Saturday night. Still available? Where?
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Elysia and I went back and forth on this regatta and have ultimately decided not to to come down. We have had a lot of real life stuff that has sapped time, money and energy over the last two months. Kind of disappointed that Madison will not be there, but we just need to have a few weeks to recuperate from all the drama.
Please update the thread with the results and recap of the regatta so we know what we missed.
Jay
Madison #73
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Results below:
Sail Boat Skipper Yacht Club 1 2 3 Total Pos
178 Toon Town Michael Eisenberg DRYC 2 1 1 4 1
92 Layla Tom Burden SSS 1 3 2 6 2
2 Too Tuff Tom Hughes RYC 5 4 3 12 3
176 UAgain David Woodside csc 4 2 7 13T 4
156 VIOLA STEPHEN LEONARD Lake Yosemite Sailing Assn 3 5 5 13T 5
62 Uhoo! Michael Josselyn RYC 7 6 6 19 6
180 Breakaway John Wolfe SSS 8 9/DNF 4 21 7
155 Udecide Phil Kanegsberg Tahoe Yacht Club 6 9/DNF 9/DNF 24 8
Congratulations Michael, Tom and Tom!
Cool thing about U20 is that Hull #2 can still finish third in a regatta like this!
Would like to get a recap of the conditions - looks like you had no racing one day?
What did Phil break?
Jay
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Here's the link to some pictures:
http://www.pressure-drop.us/forums/showthread.php?2110-Wylie-Cat-Interglactics-Antrim-27-and-Ultimate-20-Pccs-Wosser-Cup
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U20 Pacific Coast Championships
The California and Nevada U20 fleet turned out eight boats for the Antrim 27/U20/Wyliecat Intergalactics over the October 8th and 9th weekend. The breeze averaged out to about 11 knots (but averages can be deceiving) meaning it blew a glorious late-summer 18 on Saturday, but only could manage 3 knots Sunday, causing that day’s racing to be abandoned after a 2 1/2-hour wait.
Fleet Week was in progress, so we got a great air show with the Blue Angels, a B2 Stealth Bomber, and low-flying United 747s providing a nice distraction. Plus, we got to watch the action with four of our bigger sister ships, the majestic Antrim 27s, starting ahead of the U20 fleet. John Liebenberg bested that quartet on the always quick Always Friday. The Wyliecat 30s rounded out the regatta, sailing their Nationals, won by perennial winner Steve Wonner on Uno.
The first race on Saturday was a game of inches between the Santa Cruz-based Layla, piloted by Tom Burden, and Los Angeles-homeported Toon Town, helmed by Mike Eisenberg. These two boats always battle it out, with Layla finishing a boat length in front in pleasant 10-knot conditions.
Race two saw breeze-on up to 18 knots, and three boats rounded the top mark together after the first beat. Dave Woodside on UAgain mixed it up with Toon Town, who planed out to a lead on the downwind legs, with UAgain in second. Layla faded to third.
The final race went to Toon Town, with Layla babying a disintegrating traveler car to hang on for second. Meanwhile, Too Tuff, the oldest U20 (hull number 2), rode an improving scoreline and reveled in the big breeze, garnering a third place in the race (and the series). Tom Hughes has been consistently improving his performance in the venerable Too Tuff.
New boats, old boats, carbon masts or “tin rigs”—U20s are all very competitive. The tight one-design formula provides great racing, and the class lives up to its “Fast, Fun and Friendly” motto. The eight-boat fleet included at least three couples plus one six-year-old (sorry Torsten if I got your age wrong) among the teams.
A big thanks goes to John Dukat for orgnizing the racing, and to U20 designer Jim Antrim for the signed lofting weights he made and donated for trophies. Next on the Bay Area schedule is the Grateful Dead-themed Great Pumpkin Regatta at Richmond, October 29-30. Dig out those tie-die tee shirts.